SPEAKER_04 0:05

Rono, what's going on, legends? Welcome to the first episode of the Chase Immortal Podcast. Joining me today. On my right, the big semi hockey. Are you gonna tell me? What's going on, man? And on my left, Mr. Dan Roos, aka Rooster. I know you're all wondering how we got this crew together and why we got this crew together. But we've put this together to spread a message. The Chase Immortal Podcast is gonna be bringing a lot of good people together. Today we've got a wonderful guest. He's come all the way from the Gold Coast, Mr. Watini Wanaga, aka Y. He's gonna be talking to us about his movement, the Amend movement. I'm sure you're all familiar with it. But we're just gonna introduce the boys here and let us know what we're talking about, what we're gonna be covering over the next few months. So, boys.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

Right, I'll kick it off. So I guess when Benny um reached out to me a few months ago to jump on this podcast, um obviously I've never done a podcast before, but thought, you know what, something to do, something to keep me busy and you know, keep me on the rails. Um I guess good luck. True. So I guess my sort of vision for this podcast is um sort of just use it as a gateway for people like myself and the boys who you know may not be killing it in life completely right now, but you know, that want to level up in regards to relationships, fitness, nutrition, finance, just overall life just the key word you said there is gateway.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Yeah. So you, me and Dan, we're all supervisors in the in an industry full of people. We talk to people all day long about this stuff. And I I know myself, when I talk to people up there, you're hearing stories about them coming back. Like they go up and they're away from their families for two weeks at a time. As soon as they get back, they're just on the lash as soon as they land in Perth.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

I think it's just making a forum out there too, like opened, openly just discussing how you like, you know, life is hard when you come home. Hundred percent. There's no reason why it can't be it's an ego thing up there with us all, I think. Just getting home amongst the rides. Yeah, no, I'm a bloke, I'll be right.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

But life is hard, man. And like I struggled. When I went when I went back up to FIFO, I think it was 2013, 14, hadn't been up there for ages, went back and got straight back into the groove, straight on the piss every night, drinking piss, eating the shit camp food, put on heaps of weight. I think I maxed out, I think I maxed out 130 kilos. Big fat mess, could drink for Australia. Oh, I know what you mean about that. And then you meet some good people and you start talking to people like this fella here.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

I think the the message that I do want to put across is that we are not all experts in these fields, but we are the you know, potentially the voice for the people who don't want to reach out to the experts, who don't want to ask for help, who don't want to, you know, you know what it's like being a bloke boys is oh no, I'll be right, I'll be right. But you know, a little helping hand from your mate here or there can get you to that spot that you need to be, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 2:55

So definitely when we're up there, we're always talking, but even when we come home, like you know, everyone goes back to their families, it shouldn't stop. Yeah, like you know, the talking, the open kind of conversations don't need to stop, you know. That's another good thing I would reckon I really want to get out there. Like just because you're home doesn't mean we're not we can't talk on a daily basis if you need to. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

The phone's open, come down, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

That's what I mean. That's the biggest thing with you boys, right? Whenever I say, Oi, what are you up to? What are you doing tomorrow? Let's hang out. The first thing you say, yeah, let's go for a train and then let's go for a train and then it's always let's go for a train.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Let's go for a train and go for a feed, catch up.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

And if you get in that mindset where fitness becomes your priority, it doesn't matter if you go and have a few beers in the afternoon, have a pub feed.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

It's all about consistency and a way of leveling out, aligning everything. Like you still you just mentioned off mic, you've still got to have a social life. You're not gonna enjoy doing something if it's just routine every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

You need to have something that's bubbling, going to work, hanging out with people, yeah, same people, same food, same shit every day, come home and then go to a completely different life. Yeah, you need to keep that consistency and that routine through your whether you're mining or whatever work routine that you do, then bring that into your home life, into your weekends, because you can't just run work, train, work, train weekends on the piss. No. You know what I mean? You're gonna it's gonna collapse. You're not gonna maintain it. And I know that first hand because when I started morning, I'd do two-on-one rosters, work hard, I'd get on the piss up at work with all the boys, come home, bend her three, four days, go out all weekend, come home, and just get stuck in a rut of you're working, you're making money, you're spending it on drinks, you're spending it on a packet, fucking, whatever the case is. It's just sort of now I just got to a point where we just want to, you know, it's all right to have fun, it's just have fun in moderation. But we're at a point now, just let's get better, let's get better.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Did that get though in life, doesn't it? Like you're up there working, then all of a sudden you're home. Oh, I'm going home, it's definitely a bender weekend. Like you've already think about that bender. It's still doing the last three days of shit like this. It's already lined up, the parties are lined up, let's go, you know what I mean. It's crazy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 5:02

Don't you fly back to work after you've been on a bender all week? You're going, no, no, no, I'm not drinking, I'm not drinking. Next break, next break.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

The first three days on site, you shit yourself. Oh, you're not going to put yourself. You don't even get to the gate. You don't blame them for not catching us. You just keep going. She's wild.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

That's my thing, like, I'm all for a party, everyone knows I love a party and a good time, but there's things that we can do now as adults to to progress more, you know what I mean? Like, look at yourself, what do you got a comp coming up?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Yeah, so yeah, definitely like consistency, like yeah, the comp takes a lot of time, a lot of selfishness as well around it. Probably doesn't matter. Yeah, you just still having a yarn, had a couple of drinks off camera, like it's still fun. Like, I still enjoy my time with the boys, and I've just met, you know, like you're uh they're all about you, you're funny, like just because you work hard doesn't mean you can't come home and just turn off for a bit. Like there's a work life and there's a turn-off life, but it's just that where you don't want to dive too much into one more than the other. Hey, you want those two to align. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 6:06

They've got to align. Yeah, they've got to align, and you've got to have the conversations though with your boys and say, listen, all you don't want to get on the piss this weekend. Yeah, everyone help each other.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

But the thing is this coming up, I've got this coming up, you need to have the right community around you that if you do say, Boys, I've got a comp coming up, I'm fucking, I'm off the piss, I'm not on the back, I'm not doing whatever. Sweet as bro, we respect that. All good, back you 100%. Don't reach out, don't oh yeah, come out for beers, boys. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Yeah, and you're right, there's the community, the people you got hanging around you are who you are. Exactly. Like, definitely like if you're not having people support you and saying you're gonna do, then it's kind of more of a selfish thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Yeah, that's right. From living in Gold Coast the last nine months, the community and the friend group and the sort of um group that I have over there are so much higher in levels in life and business and friends and support than it is in Perth. You know what I mean? So it was a bit of a hard transition for me to come from Gold Coast back to Perth. Obviously, mining, working, all that sort of stuff is in Perth, and it's I was working five, four, eight and six, fly in, fly out. It took a mental health uh bit of a toll on my mental health doing all the flying and working and that. But you see that the friend group that you have in one spot versus the other can change who you are as a person. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Do you find out like the the different groups you hang around, like the ones that are really successful and draw driven to the other ones? Do you find either ones more harder to so not socialise but more communicate with? Like, you know, you get the go-getters, like they're very sometimes I find they're very hard to communicate. There is no excuse, you gotta drive, is it? Or is there a balance?

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Like, is it so I guess for me, like um I met one of my best mates now through mining in Perth. Yeah, and then I linked up with one of the boys in Goldie. So then networking through them and meeting them and becoming friends with those boys over there. Every single one of those boys and the friends that I met over there have done nothing but try and help lift me, uh, build me up and get me to succeeds.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

I had the same experience when I moved from Brisbane to Perth. I left a group of friends over there, but just party, full noise. Every time you flew back from work, just up it. I come over here and met a good group of people like yourself. I've worked with you years ago, but I met Sammy, I met another all the boys down in Bunbury I used to hang out with, man, they just pump you up. They're like, massive difference it can give you. And how fast can that turn? Changes.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Like your whole life. Hey, like one week, I'm talking months. If you're with the right people, like in one week you're here, like it's all bad. It's not bad. You don't think it's bad at the time. It's always having fun. But when you get away and you meet something that's going to be lifting you a little bit more, that's right, and you think, how much better is it? Like, seriously, like and then your mindset your whole life soldier.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Ym mindset starts to shift a little bit, and you're like, shit, maybe I better not get on the piston eyes. I want to go in tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

The thing is crazy because my mates and the boys over there still will party, still will fucking go mad. But we've all got the mongal in there. Everyone's everyone's tarred with the same clock.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

The mongle dog is in there, I'm telling you. It's just there's levels to it, you know what I'm saying. The live beard's out of here. Yeah, exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

So it's it's gone during the week. We're working the weekends with the weekend. Yeah, but that's the same, you know. And that's a good lifestyle. You know, grind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Or two weeks on, one week off grind. Yeah, it's just yeah, the biggest thing is just that um making that two.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

It's one of that um mutual ground between your fun, yeah, your party, and your vision. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

So but the biggest message we got here for this podcast is there's a lot of people struggling up in that industry. I talk to people every day. Guys that have I'm 44 next month, right? There's guys that are 40 years old, they go up there, work for two weeks, come home, sit on the couch, drink 20 beers the first night back. Their missus doesn't want to sleep with them, then they come to work winging while they've got a bad relationship, they don't look after themselves, don't go to the gym. Missus left him because they couldn't go into a rubber tug like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 10:03

That's standard thing.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

It is what it is, like, and that's the reality of it. But all they need is someone to go, oi, come train with us, bros. Come jump in the gym, let's go lift some weights, let's go do this. Instead of someone going to the wheel, going to the wet messing up on the beers. 100. That's all they need.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

So I think pretty much everyone just looking after each other, really. Like with men, and I mean there's a amount of fair amount of women on site. It's the same too. The same goes. There's no reason we don't look after each other. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. Yeah. And like we we're much over with them more than we are back in our own little bubble down here. 100. If you know what I mean. So it's a mighty turn off. You don't need a turn off. No. And even if you've got a relationship, you can still have friends that aren't the same sex or that if you're working away. Like, it's not a bad thing. He doesn't have it exactly. All it is is one or the other.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Getting a bit of a movement together, you know what I mean? Like so, I was on a mind site, never been there before, didn't know anyone. Met Benny two days in, day three, fuck, we're training 2am, train, train, train together. You know what I mean? Three days after we met, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

So the power of just meeting someone that clicks with you as well, eh? And it's just a mindset, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

Yeah, yeah. Like we met and we're brothers straight away. We're like 2am tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Yep, let's train, let's trade. I think everyone that meets you is like that, bro. It's good.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

That's what I'm that's the thing, you know what I mean? Like, if you've got a big personality like Benny or yourself or myself, let's go. Yeah, line it up. Everyone's welcome.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

That's what I mean, eh? It's you like us, you don't like us. That's what we're with us or against us. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, so there's nothing wrong like anyone, anyone with any issue, it's open for everyone, really. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

It's uh if if you're 155 kilos and you want to come to the gym, let's go. If you're 50, let's go. Man, I was 100 summer.

SPEAKER_04 11:41

I was 132 kilos drinking for Australia. If there was an Australian drinking team, I would have been first pick MVP gold medalist 100. Yeah, and one of the boys went, Oi, when COVID hit, he's like, let's go train. I'm like, Yeah, let's go. Six months later, man. You start watching it fall off. 12 months later, well, yeah, 18 months later, you stick with it, man. It's going on. I know.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

It could be like financial gains. But once you start seeing things advantage you and hype you up, you'll you'll keep that.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

But the thing is, it's like everything chips don't try and take the word over in a day. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

So I fucking had a motorbike accident when I was 19, broke my spine, I was in a spinal brace for 11 months at that time, had no money, made some money, however that looks, you know what I mean? I was just on the piss drinking, whatever. Got up to 156 or 8 kilos. So I was huge.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

And you're only 4'7, that's right. Yeah, 4'7, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

So just kept drinking, partying, doing whatever, and then I don't know what happened, what clicked the meat. I just probably looked in the mirror and said, Fuck this fat count. But then that was just the thing that changed me. So I started losing weight, smashing it, losing it, got down to 98. Right, and that was no surgeries, no fuck all, no, nothing, you know what I mean. So, but the thing is for me is that I saw some of my friends who didn't train or wasn't part of it seen what I was doing, and they thought, oh, I'll come for a train window, I'll come for a train window. And a few people started joining in and not saying I created a movement, but a couple of the boys who weren't 100% you created a movement.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

A couple of the boys jumped in and you know because they seen you doing it, so they thought, oh, if you can do it, I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

You want to get somewhere fast, do it on your own. If you want to build something legit and wealthy and prosper, like you do it as a group. Yeah, like you can't do you can anyone can get to somewhere on their own. But why on your own? Why don't you bring your mates and your kids? People you don't even know. Like, why not hype up anyone?

SPEAKER_04 13:37

That's exactly what we're doing here, right? Like, we've put this group together to spread this message to everyone we can. And I don't know about you, but I'm sick of watching 22-year-old influencers telling people how to train and how to live, and they're living at home with their mum still doing their washing.

unknown 13:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

I mean, it's gonna be raw, it's gonna be out there, but it's gonna be raw this year, exactly. There's no right or wrong way what we do. We're not saying this is the right way or the wrong way. But we're saying we've got it.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Between us, we've probably failed about a fucking thousand times. You know what I mean? Still failing now. Exactly right, bro. Man, like sexual. Exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

So the more you fail, man, like the better you'll be for it.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

There's a lot of bit of movement over on the East Coast between Melbourne, Sydney, Gold Coast, in regards to social media and podcasts, and you know, helping that, but Perth's so far behind the eight wall that we've got nothing. So if we can between us boys set something up and help the wider community over here, let's go. I think everyone's gonna jump on board and let's fucking get it.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

So, episode one today is gonna run. Obviously, the boys, uh, me and Samuel kick on with Watani. He's come over from the Gold Coast to run a bit of a segment.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Big props to War coming over helping the boys out.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

So he's nothing about us, really, or yeah, no, he just jumped on the good cause.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

He just jumped on board and said, Yeah, I'm keen. Flew over last night. We went out for dinner and had a yarn with him, and he's keen as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

A men movement, can't thank him enough.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

Yep, so he'll join us in a little bit now and we'll kick on with that. But moving forward, we're gonna have Bree doing a segment on relationships. We've got Daz coming in and do some finance stuff, and in the coming weeks, Dan's gonna run through some fitness meal tracking macros. I better listen to that one.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

How to set up how to how to set yourself up for the week to stay on track.

SPEAKER_04 15:22

Yes, yeah. Like here, we'll not leave one stone uncovered. Like, he will go through it all. So, tune in.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Listen in, guys, there's some big things coming.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

All right, welcome boys. Let's do this. Let's go. Welcome back to the show, Legends. Joining us now, War for the Raisers of Bar, first episode on the Chase Immortal podcast. Thanks for joining us, War.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

You're welcome, my friend. It's good to have you here, bro. Pleasure to be here, my brothers.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

War's come over from the Gold Coast. I reached out to him when we kicked this thing off and told him what we were doing, and he was more than accommodating coming over. We caught up for dinner last night, had a bit of a yarn, and he's keen to get on board. So thanks. Appreciate it, man. Really good. So today we're going to talk about the raise the bar episode is more about how successful people stay successful. Tips in life on how you can help yourself stay in that groove. Get in that spot where you set yourself up for success, your daily routine, and all the things you need to do to be successful in life. Because the Chase Immortal mantra is helping people be better, helping people sort themselves out mentally, physically, financially, in your relationships. And everything War does for the amend movement touches on all them topics. He's helping guys out globally be better, be better men, be better parents, be better husbands, be better boyfriends, and just be better humans. And he couldn't have a better message, and I'm glad to have you on board. So we're gonna kick it off this morning. I don't want to go down all that other path of all your previous stuff, everything you always talk about. I want some day-to-day stuff, man. Yeah, perfect. What's your morning routine? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Tell us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

Do you have an alarm or do you wake up to that nice sunshine from the Gold Coast coming through you? Goldie sunshine.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

I do have an alarm, bro, but often I'll be up before my alarm. So I'm up at 420 every single morning. Boom. Um I go train. I often come back and we'll have a coffee.

SPEAKER_04 17:15

So you're a morning trainer?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Yeah, I'm definitely a morning trainer. Where do you train in the Goldie? Uh at currently Empire Fitness. Yeah. I used to train at Wields, but training with one of my bros down at Empire at the moment. What's the split? What are you training? I actually don't have a fucking wrap on everything.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

Just push as much as you can every day.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

And say, I'm gonna do chest today and whatever machine is free, I'll do chest. I'll just do one muscle group per day. I do my best to train five or six days a week. For me, it's just to keep this thing in check as well. The gym's a massive part in the mental health, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For most people that is very different for myself. I find when my training or my physical movement falls away, that everything seems to fall away.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

If I don't train in the morning, I'm no good. Like I'm cranky, my food's not right. Like cause normally I train early in the morning, 2 a.m., straight in for breakfast before work, get a good feed in, got a full belly, you've already trained, you're in a good mood, get to work, and you can think about stuff without thinking about I haven't trained. I haven't eaten properly yet. I haven't punched out any energy yet, you know? You got all that energy inside yourself, I've got it.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

That's crazy because you see some of the boys at work who don't train or don't go to the gym, they just get up five minutes before the alarm, straight into straight in the mess, get some food, straight in the car. They're sleeping on the way to the work. Couldn't do it. You know what I mean? Whereas I've got the music at 400 just pumping, roaring into work, you know what I mean? Where you've got the boys who don't train who don't have that sort of physical aspect of their life in the morning who just are tired, sleepy mode.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

But you run the side takes them half an hour to get into the swing things. You run the same routine at home, though, you train in the mornings when you're at home as well.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

So I am at work, I go to the gym five, six days a week, then rush home, get a bit of feed.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

But when you're on R and R you still train in the morning, yeah? Have to, have to.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

If I train in the Avo, I can't do it. Sets me up for the day. It does me. Good session, get a feed in, you're set, you know what I mean? 100%.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah. And I think the core there, you know, everything that all three of us are saying is I've looked after myself and I've done things that are important to me first before I went out and gave to the world. And the men that are not doing that sort of stuff, you know, they're going and giving to the world. And you know, there's there's a point where that becomes exhausting because there's a dude here who's going to walk about me. So, you know, these little subtleties are like training, yes, absolutely. And the core is I'm looking after myself before I go and try to look after the world.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

And so it's a good way to look at it, isn't it? He's a supervisor, I'm a supervisor, you're looking after people, like I'm looking after their well-being. These guys are driving around and operating heavy machinery. And I've got to make sure they're not gonna hurt themselves and do all this. If I'm not up here, hurt themselves or hurt someone else. Yeah, man. If I'm not switched on up here, if I'm thinking about something else, or I've got all this panned up energy and I'm thinking about going to the gym after work or thinking about going back to the crib art and having a feed, no good. Yeah, you've got to get it out of your system early. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. So, what's your playlist? What are we running? Spotify, Apple Music?

SPEAKER_01 20:14

I'll go off Spotify, bro. A lot of mine that's funny. You know, a couple of times I've had like older fellas stop me and talk in the gym, and there's one dude in particular we had a bit of a chat, and he goes, Oh, you're actually really nice. And I said, Oh, what do you mean by that? And he goes, I thought you were a bit of a cunt. You know, you're a bit intimidating when you walk around the gym. That's for sure. Fucking hell. Um, you know, especially when I'm training by myself, I just put my headphones over and just mind my business and get get my work done.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

What's the playlist though? What are we listening to?

SPEAKER_01 20:40

It's like Justin Beaver. Yes, killer. Um, but I grew up very you know, even as a little boy, I just wanted to be loved. And so I always just enjoyed love songs, you know. So I've always uh gravitated towards a softer, loving song. So when I'm in the gym, those are the things I really listen to.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

That's it, man. It's whatever you gravitate to, yeah, exactly. And whatever you feel on the day, like I change my playlists are wild. I go from country music to heavy metal to rap to this and that. It's whatever you're feeling on the day. But you can feel that as like I could change from one set and I won't be feeling it, right? And I'm like, I'm not working out properly because of the music. Yeah. So then I'll change the whole genre and change to something else, then I'll be like, nah, that's not working either.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

And then just keep switching to get about five extra kilos on a press.

SPEAKER_04 21:31

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then we um so when we when we go back to like training in the morning for your mental health, does your partner come in? Does she train in the mornings with you? Yeah, does she run the morning system system with you and you both go in and do it together?

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Yeah, my my partner's really disciplined with her training and and sometimes she'll train with me. Yeah, yeah. When we first got together, she was very like 5 a.m., 5 a.m. 5 a.m. And then every two or three weeks she had a burn out. Yeah, and I just said to her, you know, you're not built like a Ease it back. You know, you you got a lot of softer energy when you're in your beautiful feminine energy. Yeah. And that's just some flow. That that energy is not about doing, doing, doing like you know, we are as men. Yeah. Um, so I just told her to listen to her body, and she's really good with that now. So sometimes she'll come with me, and other times she'll just let her listen to her body and let herself rest.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

But I I really enjoy on your social medias the interactions you and your missus have got. Like, she obviously you and her bounce off each other perfect, man. Like it's like a good network you got set up there, and she obviously's obviously a big impact on how successful you are, and the reason you are that successful. And that's the sort of message you want to get across. Like, I know guys that are up in the Pilbara working away, missus at home, and like they don't get along with their partners. And I'm like, man, that's your you know what I mean? That's your home base. That's your that's the person at home looking after, holding shit down for you while you're away. You know what I mean? You need to this needs to be like this, you need to be like a unit. But they're just yeah, just can't get it. But I watch your social medias, used to are like, yeah, and I noticed you spread that message as well. You're always pushing that message, which is good.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Bonnie and Clyde.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah, absolutely, Barry. She's she's amazing, Barry. And I'm so blessed, you know, to have been able to call a woman like her. And but I'm also really grateful for the work that I've done on myself because you know, a version of myself even three or four years ago wouldn't be able to hold a woman like that. No way. So I'm grateful for the work that she's done, I'm grateful for the work that I've done. But then we talk about, come back and talk about the brothers, you know, who are up in their minds and struggling with relationship. I have a lot of empathy for them. You know, when I talk to a lot of those men, uh, whether it be on group spaces or one-on-one spaces, they're looking at surface level stuff, which is relevant, but they forget about the core level stuff. Okay, what's actually driving this disconnect or this distance between me and my my uh my partner? And a lot of the answers is actually back in their own childhood. You know, if they had parents who were in a relationship where there was so much distance, well that's actually now their version of love. So we can talk about, you know, the gym is important, we can talk about you know how uh healthy eating is important or recovery and all the things, yes, it's relevant, but there's actually no longevity in that until we get to the core of what's driving the behaviours. Yeah, right. And that's the part that most men actually miss.

SPEAKER_04 24:15

And how do you, when you do your seminars and talk to guys like this, how do you draw that out of them? How do you draw out that they because a lot of men are like how do you navigate to find the roots they don't want to talk about that sort of stuff, do they? A lot of men. But you've had a lot of success. Like I think there's 9,000 people that have test put testimonies on your page that have said that you've helped them out, like guys that have had that stuff inside them and they couldn't get it out. Like I guarantee if I went and done, I was talking to Mikey last night about your um breath work stuff. I guarantee if I went and done that, I'd probably have some shit come out as well. I'd be the one levitating off the ground and ripping my shirt off and carrying on like a lunatic because I got shit suppressed that haven't got out. How do you find how do you find that path to get it out of these guys and get them and heal them, start healing them and start bringing that out?

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yeah, I say step by step, bro. You know, and some steps that we can take or that I do take as story is a really powerful connector. You know, I know I re reflect back on my journey, I was like, there's no way I'm fucking sharing that stuff with anyone. But then one person will share and be like, oh, well, if he's gonna share, maybe I'll show you. Yeah, maybe I'll give out a bit. So it's the ripple effect. Yeah. So often I you know, if no one wants to go first, I'll go first. Um, and then especially in the group settings, you know, when one man shares, often it lands for multiple, if not the entire fucking space. So that's the beautiful thing about coming to group spaces that you don't even have to talk, you can sit there and listen, and and most of the men are like, Fuck, that's me. It's like a domino effect, you know. It's a domino effect, and we all get to learn from one man's share.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

Yeah, it's wild. That's so good. Yeah, we touched on it in the intro. We had an intro with Dan, and sorry to the listeners out there, we have to kick Dan out, he's getting cranky because he's on a meal cut. He's got 16 weeks to comp. So we got rid of him and brought wire in instead. But uh, we're talking to Dan about it, and he was talking about the situations where you're at work, you come back, and you you want to associate with your mates that are out partying that, but sometimes like when he's doing his meal prep and that, he can't associate with people that are out drinking. And like last night we went out for dinner and like he just didn't want to come down because he's doing a meal prep and he's like doing a bodybuilding comp. And we talk about that like there's certain aspects of these guys that work away, they're probably away for 13 days of their two-week swing, going, right, I'm not doing this, this, this, I'm gonna go home. Me and the missus are going to do this as soon as I land. Day before they fly out, boys are like, Oi, we're hitting a casino as soon as we land, we're going out on the piss, you coming? They're like, Yep, done, let's go. Like it all goes out the window. Like that stuff is like, you need how do you teach someone to control that side of them? Like, because that's a lot of the knock-on effect as well, like you said, domino effect. Yeah, right. Like one move, deciding to go out on the piss when you land instead of going home and hanging out with your missus, like that can change your whole dynamic at home for the whole week you got off. Then you're spending a week arguing, fly back to work for two weeks, you've got three weeks of you know, arguing with your missus when you could have been having a nice good week off with your missus instead of going out and it's just about control, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:09

So it's you you work two weeks away, you're you're working 12, 13 hour days, you're eating the same food, you're hanging around the same people. Groundhog doing it. You know, you you're getting the shits with everyone because you're surrounded by the same things, same people every single day, and you look forward to your break when you come home. So it's you know, the boys are messaging it, yeah bro, let's go out, let's get no beers, let's go do this, that, let's go do that. But you may have a missus or you may not. It's just sort of trying to find the balance of when you do come home, what part of your time do you give to your to your partner or whoever you're seeing, or whatever, or yourself, like you give control of yourself as well.

SPEAKER_04 27:45

Like, it's not just giving it to a partner, but how do you find that line? Do you see it? Is that a big issue with some of these guys you do these seminars with? Like they struggle to like disassociate from their friends that are still doing that stuff?

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Like, yeah, I I I guess come back to the you know, Samuel when you said it's about control. Yeah, for me, yes, definitely control. And the part again that most people miss is understanding and and and specifically understanding my patterns. You know, it comes back to what I was saying earlier. It's like, why the fuck do I go up the night before? Why is it fuck that I self-sabotage something that I've committed to, and then when I go home, I don't have the energy or the patience or the capacity. When my mistake says something, I blow up and we're spending seven days arguing.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Again, the understanding you do a damage control while you're away for two weeks trying to patch it.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah, and the deeper understanding, what's actually driving that is you look back in your childhood. Well, I had parents that always fucking argued, they were never talking, they were never connected. So in his subconscious, he doesn't realise that it's going on. But my pattern is to be disconnected. I know I'm going home tomorrow and I've committed to connection, so I go and do something here unconsciously to fuck it all up to go back to pattern. Why? Because the pattern feels safer than the opposite because it's so familiar to me from my childhood.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

That's wild. That connection is wild. But it makes sense when you say it like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

But like with that, like I was saying before, like it's I'm not I'm not one to say everyone needs to go fully sober, like everyone can go out and have a good time, get on the beers, catch up with the boys. I think spending time with your mates and the boys is probably one of the healthiest things a man can do, you know what I'm saying? Like boys and blokes need that sort of thing. It's just where do you draw the line between coming home three days later or going for dinner and a couple of beers, you know what I mean? Like, how would you navigate through that sort of a a path? Not so much now because you're at a level where you're comfortable, but back in maybe back in the day when you were on the beers and drinking and partying, at what point did you or how did you navigate that that first initial stage?

SPEAKER_01 29:44

I think something that helped me and that could probably help any other brothers who who resonate to the question that we're asking is getting really clear on what's actually important to you in your life. Yeah, and bro, the most common things that come up when I ask men what's important to you are my partner and my children, okay, or my family. I'll say, yeah, but you're okay to go and spend three fucking days of your seven bendering with your brothers. You know, and brothers will say, Oh, and it's important to spend time with my brothers. Yeah, absolutely it is, but is it in alignment with those three things that are important? No way. Because if it was, we could spend the that time with my brothers and my family and my partner. Okay, now we're actually in alignment with what we say is important to us.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Well, let's say for me example, I don't have a partner or any children. So the boys and the boys I saw to my family, you know what I mean? So it's at what point would you say for me to divert?

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Yeah. Well, I could even we can preface that back to you as well, bro. You know, you could say, Well, is a family important to you? Is a partner important to you? Yeah, of course, massive. Okay, well then and most men will wait till they've got the partner and got the family and go, Oh, now I'm gonna change. Bro, your patterns are already fucking driven. Right, yeah. Change performance. Don't wait for the family, don't wait for the partner. Create the patterns now so that when they show up, you're the man who you say you want to be. Yeah, that's big.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

That's goal. That's real good. Yeah. Because you see that the way I look at it, I've seen a lot of good men lose a lot of good women. Absolutely. Just for a few little things they can't control in their life, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not sure. I've seen guys with like real good women at home, and they know that they're in this pattern, they know they're doing the wrong thing, and she'll put up with it for a certain time, and then eventually she's just like, nah. The next minute's like, Oh, she's left me. And I'm like, man, you're like, you know what I mean? Like, you've seen it coming, like, yeah, it's hard, it's it's hard to go. Like, substance abuse is a massive thing, man. Like, so the amount of people with substance abuse problems, they've got that demon inside them, they've got it controlled, but then it just hits that one night, you'll be out and boom, and it hits your boss. Next minute you're not home for two days. Yeah, yeah, bro. And then your missus ringing you, you're taking money out of the bank account. You can get it. You know what I mean? Six o'clock in the morning, you're at the casino, pulling money out of the shared account and gambling and carrying on, and you don't go home, you're not answering calls, and then you it all comes to a head, and then you go home two days later and want to, oh, what's for dinner, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like in I just see it all the time. It's like real hard to watch guys go through that.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Probably the most common reason why people will come to our our spaces at amend is because of a relationship breakdown. Yep. So it's super common, you know, and those behaviours that are attached to the relationship breakdown or even the substance abuse for men are connected to something that is driving that. And the most common thing that I'm finding for for not even just men but women as well, when they're in those types of behaviours is they've got a core belief that they're not enough. So it's like because that core belief of not I'm not enough, they're like, okay, I don't really want to go to the casino, I don't really want to do this, but they go and fucking do it anyway. Yeah, yeah. Well, because 95% of the choices that all of us make are actually automatic, meaning they're unconscious. So it's like the core belief is driving all of that. So if I have a core belief of I'm not enough, I'm gonna have lots of self-sabotaging behaviours that end up fucking my life up to prove that I'm not enough. That's wild.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

So you set yourself up for failure without even knowing it. It's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

So tell us a man movement, tell us about it. For the people that don't know what a mend is, tell us.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Not that many people around here don't know what it is, but it seemed pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Tell us about a man movement and what you're doing at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Yeah. So we specifically help men to truly understand themselves. Yeah. And when we truly understand ourselves, we can actually create the life that we want and not the life that we got told we should be living from our fucking childhood, our culture and or our parents. Um and ultimately for me is a personal thing. Uh when men truly have that empowerment, it helps to create a healthy family dynamic. Yeah. I didn't have a healthy family dynamic growing up, so that's why it's so important to me because it came comes from a pain point. Um, but I was able to turn that pain into power, now it's my fucking purpose. So when I see men, you know, being great partners or great fathers, that fucking lights me up. So that's good.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

I think a med would work really well throughout the mining industry. There's a lot of guys like myself and Benny and a lot of the other mates that we have all work in mining and have for 10, 15, 20 years, you know what I mean? There's a little bit of a support network throughout mining with EAPs and you know that sort of stuff, but without going into a therapy session on myself.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

I'm 44 years old, never never married, no kids, been doing FIFO my whole life.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Do you think it's because of the looks?

SPEAKER_04 34:26

I've been doing five and my love, you know what I mean? Self-sabotage relationships all the time. Like I do it, I know I do it because I just like I don't I don't want to commit to that while I'm away and up there, and like I think it's definitely there's hundreds of thousands of people like me up there that's like you just work away and that's your commitment. Then you come back and you sabotage all your shit.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

You got nothing to do so you party and drink it.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Yeah, that's what I mean. Like I've left.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

What else is there to do? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 34:52

Like that's a ways ago, like that's what we wanted to do. And that were the years, like from 25 to 40, they were the years when I should have been pulling my head in and you know, finding the misses and having kids and like leaving a legacy behind. But now with Chase Immortal in the end and that we want to help people build their legacy and like get them on the right track early, like you know, grab these guys that are running the market 22, 23, 24, say oh you fucking pull that in, let's go fucking sort yourself out.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Because you're getting some of the boys coming through that are 18, 20, 22, making 150 grand a year. Banking cash, like jet skis, parties, you know, whatever. I know I did it, still do it. But you're at a position from the 18 to 24 to 26, you know, you're making big money, you can set yourself up so well. You know, I mean I think we just need to get someone in to grab a hold of these younger guys and sort of navigate them through into a straighter path, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like I blew hundreds of thousands throughout my own.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

I would hate to see the money or spending. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Like but if I had someone push me in a direction of this, this, this, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

That's right. Yeah. I mean, I I didn't blow hundreds of thousands because I didn't have hundreds of thousands, but I fucking caused a lot of hurt and pain. Yeah, so I can think it's the same thing, it's just a different type of energy. I understand. Yeah, but you know, I blew all the fucking energy hurting people, and actually I didn't want to hurt people, I actually wanted people to love me, but I didn't know what love fucking felt like because I I didn't really get to experience it as a child. So you know when we come back to what you were saying earlier, and I don't know this, and I'm just saying making um you know a generalization here. It's like okay, I I want this relationship and I want to be loves, but you know, if we look back over our life, that deep love that I'm actually craving for is not fucking familiar, and if it's not familiar, it's safe. That's not safe, and if it's not safe, I'm always gonna try to fuck it up because we're survival beings first before first and foremost before anything.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

That's wild. I've got to go to one of these courses, man. 100%. That is wild. Book us all in. Yeah, I like it how you break it down like that, it's really good. And yeah, I I've seen your stuff online and I didn't realise how powerful it was until last time we were having dinner, and Mikey was there telling us about it. Yeah, and he was telling us about the guys that do the breath work. Yeah. And like that brings some stuff out, and we were talking a little bit about the stuff in the headphones and that like crazy, man. Like, can you explain a bit more for the people out there when they come to you when they buy into one of your seminars what they're actually going to be experiencing and what the actual like outcome is.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Yeah. Yeah. So what we do throughout the day, bro, is we we just open up spaces and conversations and do tasks to prod away, you know, I've talked a few times now about understanding what's driving what we're what people some people are noticing it, some people don't notice it, but we're we're probing away at those called beliefs, your actual belief systems. And then when we talk about the breath work and what Mikey was talking about last night, you know, if we're probing away at your core beliefs, and and often there's pain points connected to that, and then we go and breathe, and the the structural breath is actually set up so we can bypass our conscious mind where all our coping mechanisms are and get to our subconscious where our programming is, where all our uh hurt and pain is stored, the breath actually wakes that up. And then we start to process the emotions that are connected to old experiences that we didn't get to process back in that actual experience in the past. Pulls them all out. Yeah, pulls. Yeah, and we start to process it. So let's say if I was 10 and I didn't cry, and I wake it up here in this breathwork session, I'm gonna do exactly what I needed to back then. If I didn't scream and shout back then, I'm gonna start screaming and shouting can.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

I've seen some big hearty men on that floor crying and screaming and tearing up like it's hectic.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

I was yeah, I was getting chills when I was watching some of the stuff like the other night, like, yeah, it's crazy how you can connect all that and pull that stuff back out.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Yeah, and it's confronting, and I'll say to any man, you know, who might have seen that that type of footage anywhere on the internet, it's confronting, yeah, bro. And I'll tell you what, I'd rather lay on a fucking mat and scream and shout and cry than fucking scream and shout at my missus and make her feel like a fucking piece of shit.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

Beat someone to death on the side of the road for cutting you off in a car or something, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Or do the worst. Or whatever, yeah. Exactly, bro. So we get to have conversations like this with men who look like us to say, hey bro, maybe try laying on the mat, maybe try going to the seminar, uh, as opposed to what what's not working for you currently and also what's not working for you and your family. Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

But yeah, take us back now back to your day-to-day life now. So your kids obviously grown up, yeah, boxing. Yeah, they're still fighting.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Uh my two boys are, uh, my daughter um doesn't anymore. Yeah. So I'm really grateful we're only three weeks ago. I went just to train with my son, my older son once, who's 22. You big, big boy? Uh yeah, he he's coming up a hundred kilos. Now he's six five, so he's a lot bigger than I am. What's he mentioning? Um he doesn't do weights at all. Stunning. None of my kids. He's uh they just fight. They've all done taekwondo since I was five and then came over to boxing and Muay Thai. So I love that I'm back training in the gym. One with my son, but it's just helping me get my fucking fitness back. You know, I I push weights all the time. Yeah, yeah. But I got back to the fight gym and I was like, hold it's nice to be back. Um but yeah, all my all my kids train. Well, they fight. My daughter does anymore because she's a mum. Uh, but my two boys do, and I enjoy doing that with them. Do they jump on the amend move and stuff with you or what do they do for a living? And yeah, all three of my um children have been to workshops, um, multiple workshops, and all three of my children are now support workers, whether doing youth work or disability support. That's awesome. So that's real good. It makes me proud that they've got hearts for people. Yeah, they genuinely care about people and they want to help people. So yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 40:28

Yeah, I think so, bro. See, and yeah, we've jumped on board here, man. Like, because like we said already, Sammy, myself, Mikey, Dan, everyone involved in this thing, right? Is like seen all this stuff and we're like, it's right there. The answer is right there for you, you know. Like, and just need people to get it out there and just help them get in touch with people like yourself, people like the guys running all their mother programs and help people out, and like it's right there at your fingertips, just reach out and grab it. You sometimes just need to push. And I know I needed to push like years ago when I started training when I'd let myself say one of my mates going, come on, get in the gym, let's go. Six months, 12 months later, boost, we're into it. Yeah, and it didn't stop.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Awesome, love it, so good, yeah. And I think what you just said there is why it's so important that you surround yourself with good people because you surrounded yourself with one person who said, Hey, come on, yeah, come with me, and now you're the person who's I I know is saying to the other people, hey, come with me. So it's a ripple effect. Ripple effect. You know, all three of us have been a ripple effect of the opposite side, yeah, yeah. But now we're in the ripple effect of like, look, fuck, let's do something positive. And it just takes one man to help another man just one time, and that fucking ripple effect will go well beyond what we'll ever know or see.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Well, that's the thing, like Benny wanted to start this thing, now there's seven of us between like me, Benny, you Mikey, Dan, Bree. There's seven of us, that's that's seven in the space of a couple months. Yeah, imagine a year, two years, five years, you know what I mean? You could have a community and ecosystem of people wanting to do better of three, five, a thousand people, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's everyone trying to do better.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

And the biggest one, Sammy touched on it uh maybe in in the intro before you were here, but there is a bit of a stigma around this like gym and like the stuff in Perth, like it's a big boys' group, all the boys get together and train. Sammy's wants to want to kick off this, get the girls involved. Like it's a big community, like get everyone in there, get the girls involved, run classes for the girls, and that's because it would be intimidating, man. Walking into like I train at World Gym Bible Lake. There's some big boys in there, man. Like, there's a lot of men in there. The girls walking in there would be like, if you've never been in the gym before, these girls would be walking in there freaking out.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

One of the boys I know, Ruben, he runs a girls-only boxing sessions in Aussie Park. Yeah. So he just says girls only just brings them in, personal training sessions, group sessions, like something like that, you know what I mean. For the for the girls out there that maybe aren't gym or exercise savvy. It's a safe environment for everyone, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 42:55

100%. And if the girls are reaching out and then they're getting their guys onto it as well, you know what I mean? Then the whole network's working. Yeah. You know, it's not just it's not just about getting the guys right there.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

Sort of thing that we're trying to push here. Yeah, we need to help everyone out there.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

It's a greater community for everyone, really. Yeah, I love that. I know we talked about this last night at dinner as well. You know, that it's not just the the brothers all catching up, it's it's about integrating all because you know, what world do we live in with is not men and women, it's both. And it's actually healthy when we can come together. And I love you know, when us types of men, or men, I shouldn't say us types, just men in general, can find uh a softer side of ourselves, you know, keep that fucking strong side for sure. But can we be soft? Because that softer side is the side that invites the woman back into the space again. And you know, I've sat with fucking thousands of women and spoke, and we've been in safe spaces where they've really opened up, and a lot of their pain and has been caused from men. So it's about us fucking softening and opening those safe spaces back up, whether it be the gym, whether it be a workshop, uh even just a one on one conversation.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

But some of the best men I've met are the most dangerous men. Like the man who can fight, look after himself. If shit went down, man, they'd take out the whole room. But they're the soft they're women. Yeah. Would never touch a woman, would never raise their voice in front of a woman, make sure she's protected before anything else. You know what I mean? Wouldn't fight in front of her. Got that respect that she'd be gone before anything kicked off. Even have that control, like if something kicked off in the streets or whatever, he wouldn't be there throwing hands and carrying on like a lunatic if she was there and she was in danger, you know, to protect her first and go back and flog them later, you know what I mean? They're some of the best men I've ever met in my life, and I'll tell you that right now. Like that's a good trait to have. Like, you need to be dangerous to be able to look after yourself and your woman, but you need to be soft enough to like bring her in and make sure she feels like she's she's not living in a world of panic or where she's always going to be on edge thinking that you're gonna flip, flip your lid and trash something or go crazy, or pull out, like I said before, road rage, jump out of the car and punch someone. Because that's weak. That shit's weak as piss. If you can't control that emotional side of you where you need to jump out and start throwing hands with someone on the side of the road, then your emotional intelligence is gone. You might as well go straight away and get some help.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah, I agree with that 100%, bro. And I love that you spoke to that because you know, an old version of me used to think that it was actually making a woman feel safe. Or if she could see that I could punch on and hurt that dude, then she's gonna feel safe from it. And that's so far from the truth, it's so funny. Because what happens at you know, because there are women that might be um familiar to violence, so they actually think it's cool, but it's actually because that it's safety for them because of their childhood. Uh but what actually happens at the subconscious level, which like he can't even control his emotions, I don't feel safe around it. So then, you know, post one week, post two week to the experience, there's so much disconnect because she doesn't feel safe around that man anymore.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

That's right, 100%. And the guys who attract, I think we spoke about this before, but the guys who are attracted to the chaos and the loud women and the drama and the chick who's always loud and carrying on, like they've they're just there to distract themselves. Like, you know what I mean? A man who's controlled and got his shit together and got his emotions together, he's gonna be attracted to the feminine, quiet, the peace and quiet at home, the safe space, you know what I mean. The chick you can go home to and knows she's there to love him. She's not out there looking for other attention on line off guys and all this sort of stuff. Like, you know what I mean? And he'll be calm around her and he'll be at peace when he goes home. That's like that's really important. Yeah, absolutely. You don't want to be coming home to a world of chaos and all this drama all the time, and they'll never find a guy that's gonna look after them, which is big because you see a lot of women struggling, like, why can't I keep this guy? Why can't I? It's because you're out partying and carrying all the time, and you're all over the social medias and you know, partying out with your friends and dancing on tables, and no one wants to see that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're not gonna attract the right people doing that shit.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Yeah, absolutely, bro.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

I agree. You might get Sammy if you're dancing on tables.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

I'm known for a good table dancer, too.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

But yeah. No, it's a good chat, real good, real good yarn. Like this the sort of stuff we want to get out there because people don't talk about it, man. Like, we don't talk about it. Like guys our age, like I'm like I said, like the guys at work, you don't talk about this sort of stuff. Yeah, you don't they don't want help. They think they got it all together. They think, no, no, it's all good, I'll sort it out. But we need to just start bringing them in and going, fuck them, let's go train, let's get in the gym. Come on, let's go. I'll hold the pads for you. Fuck, let's do some fucking boxing, let's do this and that, because it's what you need. Yeah, yeah. So, what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 47:34

We set up a training session soon.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

Yeah, 100. Yeah, yeah. I think big change, bro, occurs when we can truly infiltrate the construction and FIFA industry. And why I say that is because you look at the demographic of men that are in that space, those are the ones that are that are holding these um hard exteriors, like mm, which then actually tells other men that are outside of those industries to say, Oh, we do that too. Whereas if we can infiltrate these men who have got these fucking hard exteriors and say and start having these conversations and soften them, well then it gives permission to the men outside of that those industries to say, Oh fuck, if they're doing that, we we we can too.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Sort of comes back to that breath watching the first guy go first, watching him crack, and then the other guys open up that gateway for him and the others to join in.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Yeah, yeah. For sure. Because those men in you know uh FIFO, for example, use both in FIFO's like they don't want help. My experiences, yes, they do. They just don't know how to do that.

SPEAKER_04 48:29

Oh, they want help 100%. Like but they won't ask. They will not ask, man. You've got to draw it out of them. Like I can read, I'm pretty good at reading the crowd. I stand up in front of the whole crew and do a pre-start every morning. You can tell who's off. Straight after pre-start. You can tell like your crew that you've been working with, you can tell when someone's off.

SPEAKER_05 48:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

And you have a yarn of them and they're like, no, no, all good, just didn't sleep at all last night or whatever. Rarely they'll tell you what's going on outside. Rarely they'll tell you they've got shit going on at home. Like you won't hear about it until they fly out and then or they come back and like, oh yeah, me and the misses broke up. But you seen the traits, you seen it coming like a few weeks earlier, a few swings earlier. Seen them change in mood, this and that. All of a sudden they're up the wet mess every night. When they never used to go up the wet mess, or they're doing shit different, you know. And then they'll come back and go, Oh yeah, the missus left me. And I'm like, now what's watching move now? Like, no good.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

Yeah. And if I could say to all those men, you know, that are in that experience that might hear this, you know, what when you say what's the next move now? It's like, bro, find a place or a space or a fucking person who's gonna help you genuinely understand your patterns. Because every single one of us, us three sitting here, run on patterns. And when you can notice your patterns, you can say, Okay, these are patterns I want to keep, but let's amplify them. These are patterns I don't, we've got to create interrupts to then create space for new patterns. Because it's when we're running on we're creating new patterns, then we can create a new life. But if we can't see the patterns, there's fucking zero chance. Because even you know, we'll uh connect to the gym, we know how important it is. But even the gym's not gonna fucking save you from your patterns that are deeper than that and then fucking up my relationship. Yeah. Because I was going to the gym for fucking ten years and still fucking up all my relationships. So it's about okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

It's not the be all and end all, but yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you still keep the gym.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

You hit that fork in the road, yeah. Left, up, right, down. Which way are you gonna go? You know, when you get to that point.

SPEAKER_04 50:20

Like I was at the point where I was back when I first started getting back into training and getting fit again. I had to write, I had to write, I had to write on my mirror in my donga in a whiteboard marker, like get up, go to the gym. You know what I mean? Like it was written on there every time. Yeah, like every time I flew in, I'm like, get up, go to the gym. My alarm says get up, fatty. Oh, every day. I don't want to read it every morning. My alarm says get up, you F C. I've got three alarms in my last one, get up, you F C every time.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

But you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Because imagine turning that off and reading that.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Yeah, yeah. This weak dog. Yeah, and and those are what I call backstops. Yeah. You know, right now, uh, when you're at that point, it's like I don't have this fucking automation of going to the gym. So I've got to have reminders everywhere that just boom remind me. Otherwise, my subconscious, my automations will be like, oh, let's do something else. You're like, oh fuck, I missed it again. Or we'll make up all these excuses and you'll believe the excuses and fall into the trap and not do the thing again. So like having backstops helps us to uh remind us until the fucking patterns are automated. And if I can, and only because this has helped me shift and it's not always for everyone. But I used to say the same thing, get to the gym, you useless cunt. Yeah, and why I stopped doing that is because I looked back and what did I get caught as a little kid that used to fucking hurt me that caused hurt and pain. You useless cunt or you idiot. And yet I was fucking repeating that back to myself, which was yes, I'll still get in the gym, but I'll still get too much. But you're degrading yourself at the same time. So I actually stopped doing that. I was like, get to the gym because you deserve it. Yeah, but the gym because of how you know it makes you feel.

SPEAKER_04 51:59

The gym, like for example, this morning, right? This is a massive day for me, right? This is the first podcast on the something I've been working on for months with Sammy, boys, the crew, breed, a whole lot of us, right? And today's the day, right? I'm awake at 3 30, quarter to four this morning. Yeah, pacing the house, right? Itching. I've got five, I'd be going, what do I need to do? Some writing stuff, writing this. Nah, I've done that, that's all good. Pacing, pacing, pacing. Make another coffee, just trying to get everything in line. About five o'clock, I went, just fucking go to the gym. Just go to the fucking gym. So I just grabbed me bag, fucked off to the gym, was in there for an hour, come back, clear mind. Yeah. Sat down at the computer, went, right, wrote that, rang him, oi, got this, this, this. He's like, yeah, we're sorted, everything's good. Rang Dan, yep, on my way, boom. Like everything just lined up. But before I went to the gym, fucking chaos. My head was spinning. Went to the gym, put my headphones in for an hour, listen to listen to. Uh I'll have to remember, probably Justin Bieber. That's the way you're vibing out. But nah, it is, it is the be all and end all, and I can't push it enough for everyone. Like, if you want to sort your shit out, sort of start up here. Like, start in here is the first spot you've got to start. It's no good just being a lunatic and going to the gym. You've got to work on what's in here. If you can't control up here, then don't worry about the rest of it.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

Yeah, bro. And it's the most, it's a really simple but one of the most powerful places to start. You know, some brothers will come to me, you know, more specifically my boroughs, and they're like, oh, talking about these things. And I said, Well, how's your movement? Non-existent. You've been drinking water? No. Watching sleep like fucked. You've been eating healthy food or shit food, shit food. Done. Sort of that shit out first, bro. Then we'll come back. Because you've got a healthy foundation. But until you've navigated the real basics, um, that are actually the important parts when we start getting to the deeper stuff as well, because that's what's going to hold you. Um so yes, bro, it's a simple, tangible way for men to start. But it's also even when you get into the deep start, it needs to be sustained as well. And you need a system.

SPEAKER_04 53:59

Routine will fix a lot of things. Yeah. Because then you'll be if once you get into that routine, that night when you're out, you go out for dinner with someone, they want to kick on for drinks, you'll be like, Oh fuck, I've got to train in the morning. Yeah. Dan's fucking meet me at the gym at six. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to stand him up. Fuck, it's my best mate. He's fucking come up from Bumber to train with me. I'm not going to fuck, you know. You're in that routine, so then you'll make better decisions. Yeah. And I've seen that. Like, I've done it myself. You've probably done it yourself as well. Like, that's the system you need to get in. Yeah. And we can help guys get and girls get into that system, like I'm telling you. But the people we got surrounding us, like, look at this, man. This is like six months in, and look at what we're doing already. Like, this is mind-blowing to me, man.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Like, like it was even Big Sand Dan out the front with his meal prep in the microwave with his chicken and rice. Yeah. And he had to leave because he's got something, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 54:45

Like, he's got to get down and train with his coach. Like, it's wild. Yeah. Unreal.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Yeah, those are the men we want to bear, right? Like, he's got something that's really important to him, and every action and decision that he makes is in alignment with what's important to him. 100%. So it's like for us, for example, okay, what's important to me? Oh, it's A. And then I reflect on my life, I'm like, are all my actions and decisions that I'm making in alignment with that like him? Oh fuck, maybe they're not. Okay, I'm gonna shift that because I want to be like the bro.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

But I think what's even bigger than that is him coming here today, bringing his meal prep, and no one asking him if he wants a burger or yeah, sweet asbro, don't have any drinks or don't have any beers, you know. You'd that's your thing supporting him on his journey. You know what I mean? Yep. Like you've just got to have that community around you that support you in your goals.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

And like he has been doing that. I've known him since I was 20 years old, man. And like I reckon probably three years after I met him, he started doing that, and he's just dialed in. Like, he is dialed in. Like he flies to the east coast all the time. He comes, stops my apartment, does his meal prep in the apartment before he gets on the plane, he doesn't eat the plane food. Yeah, but he's got to eat every couple hours. He's dialed in, he's good.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

Yeah, what a legitimate 5% body fat.

SPEAKER_04 55:51

Something like that.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Good luck me. 55. 55. You're still a good looking rooster, are you bro?

SPEAKER_04 55:59

But no, that's good. So he does. So we're gonna we'll do some sort of deer. We're not sure how we're gonna work it yet because we're um we're still kicking off on our socials, but we'll have some sort of link on there. We'll link up your seminar. Yeah, perfect. To something we're doing. We'll do a bit of a collab with a bit of merch or something, but we'll we'll get it out there, man. Yeah, bro, looking forward to it. And we're gonna get up there on the we'll try and get something out of with the EAPs and all that sort of stuff. We'll kick that off.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Pleasure having you on today, man. Really appreciate you coming over to Perth and jumping on the potty with us.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Yeah. No, you're welcome, bro. Like, oh, I was excited to come anyway, but having dinner and then sitting down having this conversation. I'm like, and for people who obviously won't see this right now, like we've talked. This is things gonna fucking go places. Yeah, man. Like I already know that. Even walking today and talking to Mikey and he's and I seen a couple of things, I was like, fuck, the boys don't mess anything, bro. They've got everything covered.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

So Man, it's been a like I'm telling you, it's been a long slog from where we come from, where we kicked it off to where we come up with the idea to like, and it was literally the boys just sitting around talking. We're like, man, there's gotta be a better way. Yeah, we can help people. And then Mikey came over, told him about the production schedule, and he's like, You know who you need on your show. And he's message this fella, he gave me bars details, message him a couple of days later. He's like, Sorry man, didn't see your message, just get back to now, rah. Boom, key nose. Yeah, and here we are.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Yeah, no, appreciate you. Cheers, brother. And thank you for what you just are doing because I know it's gonna help fucking lots and lots of people.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll pump your stuff up for sure because I want to get all that stuff up in the our industry, man. Like these guys need to be doing that stuff. And girls, like, if there's girls out there and your partner's too stubborn to get on board and do this, sign him up, sign him up to this seminar and make him sit in front of it and have a listen because I guaranteed it'll help.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

Yeah, for sure. Big things coming, eh boys? Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 57:50

Let's go. Cheers.